Podcaster John Metaxas interviews veteran civil rights attorney Robert Herbst about his journey from his liberal Jewish upbringing to becoming an advocate for Palestinian rights. Bob says just as “Black Lives Matter in the U.S., Palestinian lives matter in Israel/Palestine.” He says his viewpoint changed significantly after what he calls Israel’s brutal 2014 Operation Protective Edge in Gaza. He became a member of the organization Jewish Voice for Peace. He describes the Israeli occupation of the West Bank as persistent and relentless oppression, which he likens to apartheid. He openly discusses anti-Semitism and how Jews and non-Jews might view the current situation in the Holy Land. He says he supports the Boycott Divest Sanction movement as a non-violent means to help Israel recover its Jewish values.